Political Pulse: Subject: Press Release : City Council Elections

Political Pulse: Subject: Press Release : City Council Elections

Jerry Patterson said Thursday in a Coastal Coordination Council Meeting that the General Land Office has requested additional information

ccdem "Why doesn't the Caller-Times expose this sort of corruption?"


couldbetrue "Jerry Patterson said Thursday in a Coastal Coordination Council Meeting that the General Land Office has requested additional information on how the city planned to provide access to disabled people and how the public in general would access the south jetty of Packery Channel."

That is something for us to work with.

Now, right now we (each of us) must get ten people to call Jerry Patterson (and the candidates who will be affected by our ENGAGEMENT). If he is a smart man he will quash our ALL AMERICAN CITY COUNSELLED OUT SELF DEALERS. Send your land commisioner an email followed by a letter.

There is an Open Beaches Act we have to work with as well.

We also have the case law precedent that will incrementally allow the other condos to close more of our open beach over time.

Lonestar The GLO has received overwelming public response opposing this closure because the majority does not want it. The law is on the side of the opposition.

Secondvet Check out what the Cameron County Commissioner''s Court has done! Leased Isla Blanca Park to a Federally convicted kidnapping felon to develop a hotel/casino complex where the public now has a parking lot.
Your City Commissioners are no different. The have lost all sense of propriety and history of our area and are selling it away bit by bit.

John Trice Mr Island Surf & Wear now VP of Frost Bank on the Island
1/7/2006 1:03 AM
It was the early 80's. Historically the Surfers hung out by Bob Hall Pier. The Fishermen and the Surfers were at odds. The waves created in proximity to the pier were cleaner thus better for surfing. The Surfers would routinely "shoot the pier" and take their boards and jump off of the end instead of the long paddle out. Hence the JP Luby Surf Park & Pier was created.

To hang out at the Condos was discouraged by the condo elite. Well on the Sea Wall we could skateboard as the steel wheels became replaced with urethane wheels like Kryptonic, Bones, Gyros and the boards and truck technology as well.

We started to hang out on the Seawall. We were not llowed to park in the parking lots so we had to park in the street and lug our ice chests, boards, towels and stuff around the Holiday Inn cuz they would not let us through to the seawall. The visitors and tourists began to interact with us and we made many friends. Still we had to walk around.

Some of us took our dogs. My dog would pull me on my skateboard up and down the wall. He pulled many others as well. He loved it. The Condos would not even allow me to get water for my dog one day when I ran out.

This became the place for all as Spring Break '84 and John Trice should remember. Do you remember the Skateboard Ramp and Contest. The Bikini Contest and all the hoopla?

Island Surf & Wear: Just because it''s Von Wade''s show doesn''t mean a sole agenda is being pushed. He may push a viewpoint, but he''s not the only o

Island Surf & Wear: Just because it''s Von Wade''s show doesn''t mean a sole agenda is being pushed. He may push a viewpoint, but he''s not the only one.


Island Surf & Wear

This became the place for all as Spring Break '84 and John Trice should remember. Do you remember the Skateboard Ramp and Contest. The Bikini Contest and all the hoopla? How about it Rick Trevino, Steve Cooke, Duane Hansen, Matthew Hearndon and all you other forgetful "big timers". John Trice is now the president of Frost Bank on the Island. Waz up Johnny? Speak up "Mr make all that money off of an open access beach" ?

Political Pulse: CORPUS CHRISTI REGIONAL ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT CORPORATION BOARD MEMBER Joe Elizondo shows up 4 hours tardy to Birthday Party for Juan

Political Pulse: CORPUS CHRISTI REGIONAL ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT CORPORATION BOARD MEMBER Joe Elizondo shows up 4 hours tardy to Birthday Party for Juan Garcia

South Texas Chisme: Corpus Christi Barrios Association Friction?

South Texas Chisme: Corpus Christi Barrios Association Friction?

Dear Air America & John Kelley,

Dear Air America & John Kelley,

Team Kenedeno & Associates
(E Advocacy Architecture) Specializing in South Texas Social Structure.

"Engaging the average citizen in the formulation of Public Policy" is our mission @ Team Kenedeno. The Net is a powerful force for change -- and a dynamic tool for citizen education and action. Read the latest research on citizen participation online, the stories and experiences of coalitions, corporate clients, and others working in the cyber trenches, and discover the potential to become an active participant in online democracy.

Hear @ TEAM KENEDENO we are building the VOTE “back together again”. We have earned our place. If you insist, we will earn it again. It is representative of how every South Texan should speak up. You might call it anger I call it passion. Passion is WATT you felt on TALK RADIO this Friday Morning. If you weren’t there YOU should have been. I am sure a transcript will be readily provided upon request.

FYI: Judge JAG was TARDY. Callers could have called in when the BELL RANG. But then again Maybe JAG had a legitimate reason for his unexplained TARDY. Remember the Sandra WATTS Jury “message sending” fiasco. Did this guy end up in JAGS court and allowed “push and pull” alliances to unite and rendezvous at the RADIO Station,…… TARDY?

Where is Ganschow when he is needed?

CCISD’s finest in Security / Attendance in the Broomfield Style.

The caller was attempting to ENGAGE the AVERAGE CITIZEN by making a simple statement addressing the acknowledgment that the JUDGE of the Truancy Court was Tardy. WHY did the host not address the impromptness and allow JAG to respond?


You know WATT Mr Kelly,

ü homework - a must study of Mike Wallace.

Shouldn’t he JAG a fine for the dead airtime?

This message is slated and designed…….

It is perfectly natural for Nueces County Judge to show up tardy.

Mr. Kelly states, “He didn’t have time to take any calls”.

This subtle tactic sent a one sided message and a severe blow to public defeatist sentiment. Whether he realized it or not, that was a WATTS element mouthpiece.

It is a fatalistic attitude that TEAM KENEDENO will eradicate! Quality Control begins with accountability and consequences not only rewards and power.

Then all of the TAX Write Offs JOE try to sell us as charity.

There are a “few good men” in the bunch.

My regards Judge Greenwell, Randy Maldonado, Robert Zamora, Joe Flores, Juan Garcia and John La Rue.

There are some that need to be removed from status and position.

Mr. Hector Canales of the “TWO FER” clan

Barbie Girl’s partner

Mr. “Best Little Door House”, Cocoy sends his regards

And I thought I had seen a blue ghost?

That behavior is an embarrassment to the two boards; where do you “think” you sit so high?

And I know that is not why you “think” you sit so high.

Resign step down and go back to your “HOMETOWN”

This is MY Town.

How bout JUAN MORE!?!

EL Defenzor.net: Why are the lights of the harbor bridge turned of as texwrite wrote does this make common sense?

EL Defenzor.net: Why are the lights of the harbor bridge turned of as texwrite wrote does this make common sense?

does this make common sense?
Posted on June 1, 2006 at 00:15:31 AM by dannoynted1

Take a deep breath Cato...
5/31/2006 10:38 PM

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Certainly things can get done the way they are now. I heard that the port could operate more efficiently if they had a way to accomodate larger ships. Supertankers wouldn't have to offload in the gulf onto other ships and have them deliver it. It would be faster if they brought it in themselves. This is only one issue for the bridge.

Realistically, we won't have a say in the construction of the new bridge. Bigger people than us will make the decision regardless. In other words, I'm sure someone's pockets are going to benefit from it. I hate to say it Cato, I don't think Rock drilling will be the one.

----------------------------------------and just how could you possibly know who will benefit?

is your pocket being lined?

i am sure you have no "common sense" much less know anything about it

when you get some then maybe you can get a "piece of the rock"


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Two reasons cited for tearing down a historical landmark....
Posted on June 1, 2006 at 00:56:42 AM by Jaime Kenedeno

and notice neither of them deal with who will be making bucoooos of dinero.

Corrosion?

Not a factor for at leat another 50 years or so and that is if we stopped all maintainence. Think it will still be standing after a major hurricane?

I say yes.

Height??

Why height?

How is it better to bring the ship all the way in than to offload away from the public. Public Safety must be a primary factor. These ships are clumsy at best. Let us not forget the Super Tanker Exxon Valdez.

Bottom line is Social Status & Economic status of a select few at the expense of taxpayer money and our safety.

Oh yeah, when we built cargo dock 1 it was designed for industry not parties and board rooms.


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CENSORSHIP: Good grief, did we hit a nerve?
Posted on June 1, 2006 at 00:43:40 AM by Jaime 4 TEXWRITES

texwrites
Posts: 321

Censorship Here
6/1/2006 12:31 AM

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Wowee My post about getting the bridge declared an historical landmark has been purged. This topic shows 16 posts and now only 9 remain. Good grief, did we hit a nerve? I was trying humor and someone thought it had possibilities I guess. How troubling that something like that would get the ax.

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Re(1): CENSORSHIP: Good grief, did we hit a nerve?
Posted on June 1, 2006 at 00:44:46 AM by Jaime 4 CATO

Cato
Posts: 135
Some support the harbor bridge to get rich, not for community
6/1/2006 12:46 AM

Why are the lights of the harbor bridge turned of as textwrite wrote, to make it less attractive?

The guy (engineer) that built the harbor bridge led the project to built mount Rushmore. The bridge like the courthouse is a historical site.

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censor capitan? does this make common sense?
Posted on June 1, 2006 at 00:26:30 AM by dannoynted1

what say you capitan?

all jaimes posts were once again deleted by that hater talk radio wannabe american

guess he cant stand those ice cold showers

he even deleted johnseys posts!
why?
he has no common sense!


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Two things that threaten the Corporate Welfare beneficiaries.....
Posted on June 1, 2006 at 00:38:53 AM by Jaime Kenedeno

1) A movement against building a new bridge and tearing down a historical landmark residing in a historical designated area. Public Opinion can over rule imminent domain.

2)A challenge to the incumbent Gene Seaman to debate his well respected opponent Desert Storm Aviator Juan Garcia.

The Agenda is clear.

Where do you stand El Capitan?

It just goes to demonstrate the cowardice of some and the selective nature of others when it comes to our constitution.

A Sea Man or a Desert Storm Aviator

We dont need your message board or KEYS Radio.

WATT happened to the Skatepark????

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Posts: 158 Why did Homer bring up the new Harbor Bridge proposal?
5/30/2006 9:22:54 PM Is it symbolic of something I missed? Is he starting an expose on city and the Dept of Transportation and the Metroplitican Planning Organization?

I was listening closely this morning. Homer seemed tired and frustrated, he talked about "ethics" and "critical" reporting. He was not really asking the question, "Do we need a Harbor Bridge?"; it was Molly Cox. Homer seemed to be aiming at something deeper. I know that Curmudeon did get the gist of the talk; Why was Bob Jones interrupting him from the very beginning?

Homer did mention that Mayor Loyd Neal had appointed/or help appt persons to the port that are in a joint venture with him. Homer cited that Neal had a 9 percent interest in such companies.

Why have we not been told this? Who can explore this allegations further? Homer seemed to be saying, at least in my analysis, "I'm an outsider, why do I have to do it." Did any of you get that feeling?

Bob Jones said, "No one cares Homer. No on out there." Homer of course was referring to some unwritten agenda. Collapse all posts in this thread Author Replys Cato
Posts: 158 Does anyone know Homer''s email address?
5/30/2006 9:24:56 PM Like to inquire about a few things. Has anyone here communicated with him by way of email?

Does he respond back? I don''t want to waste his or my time??? curtis rock
Posts: 751 Re: Why did Homer bring up the new Harbor Bridge proposal?
5/30/2006 9:30:39 PM From what I''ve heard from TxDOT meetings is that the bridge has already expired its expected use, or is nearing this expiration. Upon completion of the new bridge, the current bridge will be overdue on replacement.

I really don''t think the City will have much to do with the bridge aside from right-of-way issues. All funding, bidding, masterplanning, etc. is at the discretion of the State of Texas (TxDOT). The Port of Corpus Christi doesn''t even get much say from what I understand.

I think the new bridge is necessary because the current bridge requires more maintenance than a wife. Cato
Posts: 158 Chris Rock be careful with your words
5/31/2006 8:32:12 PM So you claim we are ""against progress and economic growth of the community"" because we don''t support unjustified project contracts being given to the Chris Rocks of this world?

You are part of the problem, not the solution. I have consulted with a few experts in the area and most ships that will pass through the harbor don''t require more than 100 feet, the harbor bridge has 150 feet. The 200 feet figure why?

To justify the $$$$$, our money. Community growth does not equal contracts for the Chris Rocks of this world..... It equals what we say it is. CommonSense
Posts: 561 Take a deep breath Cato...
5/31/2006 10:38:20 PM Certainly things can get done the way they are now. I heard that the port could operate more efficiently if they had a way to accomodate larger ships. Supertankers wouldn''t have to offload in the gulf onto other ships and have them deliver it. It would be faster if they brought it in themselves. This is only one issue for the bridge.

Realistically, we won''t have a say in the construction of the new bridge. Bigger people than us will make the decision regardless. In other words, I''m sure someone''s pockets are going to benefit from it. I hate to say it Cato, I don''t think Rock drilling will be the one. curtis rock
Posts: 751 Just to Clarify a few things for Cato...
5/31/2006 10:47:41 PM Cato...My name is Curtis, plainly spelled as my username on this website - not Chris.

Many large cargo ships of today cannot clear the Harbor Bridge, so you can quit making up lies. Secondly, TxDOT is the governing entity responsible for this project so the local business people will be in competition with the entire State. The possibility of Rock Engineering doing any geotechnical investigation exists, but it will be an uphill battle. Thankfully we''re the only local company here with a HUB certification, so it makes our firm attractive to any prime consultant - but that doesn''t mean they''ll use us.

Also, CommonSense, the company I work for is not a drilling company. We don''t even have a drilling rig. We hire drillers to extract our soil samples. Cato
Posts: 158 Curtis, don''t mean to be disrespectful, you admit you have a bias
5/31/2006 10:59:10 PM The bias is that you are hoping to get a bite of the plate, so to speak. Such a prospective role does dull one''s critical thinking skills in reference to the new bridge project materizing itself or not.

I understand that you will also might benefit from other projects as well as you have admitted such as the Beach progects Cato
Posts: 158 Some support the harbor bridge to get rich, not for community
6/1/2006 12:46:52 AM Why are the lights of the harbor bridge turned of as textwrite wrote, to make it less attractive?

The guy (engineer) that built the harbor bridge led the project to built mount Rushmore. The bridge like the courthouse is a historical site.

texwrites
Posts: 323 Censorship Here
6/1/2006 12:31:19 AM Wowee My post about getting the bridge declared an historical landmark has been purged. This topic shows 16 posts and now only 9 remain. Good greif, did we hit a nerve? I was trying humor and someone thought it had possibilities I guess. How troubling that something like that would get the ax. curtis rock
Posts: 751 Re: Some support the harbor bridge to get rich, not for community
6/1/2006 7:21:32 AM Rock Engineering wouldn''t be the only beneficiary, it would be a stimulus for the entire community. Perhaps you don''t have that forward-thinking ability. Even if Rock Engineering doesn''t benefit from the actual design or construction, it would still benefit our firm in the long run. Even I can see that. curmudgeon
Posts: 2912 Yeah, we need to . . .
6/1/2006 8:26:52 AM . . . make work for local companies. Sounds kinda like corporate welfare to me. curtis rock
Posts: 751 infrastructure
6/1/2006 8:57:27 AM If you consider infrastructure to be corporate welfare, then yes.

However, everyone from business to labor will benefit from increased goods coming and going from our Port.

It''s international commerce that this infrastructure benefits, which helps everyone. curmudgeon
Posts: 2912 The existing bridge is . . .
6/1/2006 9:36:31 AM . . . adequate. If you think that bringing bigger ships into the port will enhance the lives of the average resident I have a bridge to sell you. curtis rock
Posts: 751 Wrong again
6/1/2006 11:21:08 AM If the existing bridge is big enough, then why do we continue to widen and deepen the ship channel. Clearly, ships are getting bigger and bigger so we need bigger infrastructure to support it.

It''s like fat people trying to suck it in so they fit in their same pair of trousers. curmudgeon
Posts: 2912 That is a problem . . .
6/1/2006 12:00:39 PM . . . for the people who are profitting from the port to address. The existing bridge is adequate to handle the vehicle traffic that is traveling along US 35. curtis rock
Posts: 751 Re: That is a problem . . .
6/1/2006 1:40:32 PM So what about the new Joe Fulton Corridor? Major Carrales
Posts: 412 I can''t say I have an opinion on a new bridge...
6/1/2006 12:31:29 PM ...clearly having oil tankers pulling into the port itself could prove to be a Homeland Security danger.

Imagine if a terrorist group secured a tanker and mixed it with fuel and some nitrate based mixture. Detonating that in the port proper would create kilotons worth of damage.

Still, there is a senario in HLS circles that deals with any bridge over the harbour being demolished and causing disruption to port operations for months including its military significance.

Why not engineer a tunnel? Or simply bipass the bridge''s current locality and build a bridge furher on down the channel where its collapse and the height of the bridge will be less of an issue.

Sure, that is the only way to get to the Lexington and State Aquarium, but few real attempts to develop the LEOPARD STRIP and DOWNTOWN have gained traction. Instead the development is to be on the Island...miles away.

May I propose a ferry service between the Island and North Beach?

Now that is thinking outside the box!!! CommonSense
Posts: 561 Re: Just to Clarify a few things for Cato...
6/1/2006 8:03:27 AM My bad. I could have sworn that you referred to the company you work for in an earlier post as ""Rock Drilling"".

Having my memory slip at 43 isn''t a good thing.

=ha= Uriel
Posts: 475 Re: Why did Homer bring up the new Harbor Bridge proposal?
6/1/2006 8:05:18 AM As much as I love the Harbor Bridge, it is rather old.
I do however, hope the one they replace it with will be equally or more beautiful than the existing bridge.

I learned how to drive on that bridge.
:bugeyes:
My mother was teaching me to drive on the highway from Portland to CC.
I was suppose to get off the highway at the exit BEFORE the Harbor Bridge.
OUPPS!!!
Missed it!!!
As I drove up the Harbor Bridge, I turned to look at my Mom''s face. OH she was really worried. Clenching the door. Face turned pale.

Well, I made it to the other side...then turned and went over the bridge again.
Was fun and scary at the same time.

Great way to get over your fear of driving a car.
:P
Uriel :D Cato
Posts: 158 ""infrastructure"" for who? CITGO, Valero refineries
6/1/2006 11:20:46 AM Curmudgeon is right. Why don''t they pay for their own infrastructure. I know CITGO. The rich are getting richer, you get a bite to justify their ruse.

They want us to pay for it. curtis rock
Posts: 751 Re: ""infrastructure"" for who? CITGO, Valero refineries
6/1/2006 2:40:48 PM It''s a benefit for everyone. With your logic, how about you pay the exact amount for the roadway directly in front of your house. I highly doubt you could afford it. curmudgeon
Posts: 2912 I think I can . . .
6/1/2006 5:44:26 PM . . . afford it. I already have a private road of my own. curtis rock
Posts: 751 Re: I think I can . . .
6/1/2006 8:31:52 PM Some people can do that.

Most cannot afford the things that you can Curm.

I definitely couldn''t afford my own private road. Cato
Posts: 158 Let''s protest! A Car Caravan to get the lights back on
6/1/2006 10:07:13 PM Let''s enjoy the Harbor Bridge while we have it. We need to email the state transporation officials.

CommonSense
Posts: 561 Re: Let''s protest! A Car Caravan to get the lights back on
6/1/2006 10:38:57 PM With gas prices the way they are.. no thanks. Cato
Posts: 158 This Infrastructure should go to areas Mayor Neal has neglected
6/2/2006 1:40:25 AM flagrant neglect, glaring overlooking many sectors of Corpus Christi; a gross record in working for the whole community. He has not reached fairly.

Now he sits on the Metropolitan Planning Organization (MPO) and him the exe dir want to sell us a bridge. It will soon come out what he has done to our community, according to one of my professor here at Texas A M - CC.

We need to stop jumping everytime someone like Curtis Rock yells ""Economic Development"" or ""new infrstructure"" or ""commerce"" , these codes words have been used as code words as framing manipulation to manage our impressions of the future.

I smell a cold dead fish and it is not progress. As Curmudeon put it so succintly, ""Someone needs to sound the alarm"" incessantly.

1 billion dollars can make you think. The possibilities, the impact that it can have if used effectively. The beach has been taken away from the public and given to the private recreations of the rich and the comfortable; the new harbor bridge sales pitch is conflated and related.

It would be okay to make the rich richer, but they do not give back. CITGO I understand belongs to Hugo Chavez'' Venezuela. Soon we will be nurturing the business success of foreign and international corporations instead of our own community needs. China for instance has a planned/socialist economy and we reinforce it via Walmart and other operational agreements.

Is it commonsense? Is it to our benefit? Politicians have sold out; they have observed many in the process. The greedy Curtis Rocks of this world who are so desperate to climb the ladder will ruin our form of government. The Good ole US of A will be given to the Chavezes of this world.

Let us fight. Let''s take a stand. Why not a tunnel instead of a historical bridge? The corporations have hired many in business and media to sell us this private channelling of dollars. They want to impose a toll, and the toll is just an imposing start, others things will follow.

Don''t Corpus Christians have any pride. Any cajones? Gumption? Internal worth?

Will we all become Curtus Rocks of these world who bow down to the Brent Chesneys and Mark Scotts and the pitches of I LOVE CC.

wake up. lET''S CONNECT. let''s aim, let mutually plan, let''s execute a plan of resistance. hOW CAN WE GO DOWN WITHOUT A FIGHT. CommonSense
Posts: 561 I think you need to seperate a couple of things...
6/2/2006 7:48:11 AM Curtis can defend himself, but you need to understand that his family owes a business. What does that mean? It means that they must be able to contract work to be able to pay the people they employ. Just because he likes the idea of new projects doesn''t make him greedy. I guess you are forgetting that those who own businesses must take advantage of opportunities or they will no longer have a business. This doesn''t make someone greedy. It may skew their view on some things, but it doesn''t make them greedy.

I hate to tell you this, but if the project goes through, which I think it will, it would be beneficial for any business owner to see what they can secure for their business. That is just good business planning. Rock Engineering isn''t leading the charge here. More than likely, as you pointed out, it is the politicians who are pushing this. Why, because it will bring added revenue into the area.

Frankly, I could care less what they do there. They could leave the bridge as it is now, or they can build a new one. It doesn''t affect me. Cato
Posts: 158 We don''t need new bridge, but sincere leadership
6/2/2006 11:27:56 AM and cajones.

Why should I buy in to the idea of a new bridge to put food of Curtis Rock''s table; while the cost depletes mine of needed resources?

Your logic COMMONSENSE does not make fit in to the logic. If you do not care if a new bridge or not is built then why are you the main mouthpiece, the marketeer. curtis rock
Posts: 751 Re: We don''t need new bridge, but sincere leadership
6/2/2006 1:06:49 PM Would you rather provide my fellow employees and myself with food on my table instead of earning it through our occupation? The truth is, plain and simple, if there is less work then we''re going to lay people off or close our doors. If there is more work, then we can continue hiring and providing jobs.

You can call me ""greedy"" if you''d like, but you have no idea how much Rock Engineering gives back to the community, aside from employing 30 people here and giving them ""the works"" in terms of benefits. I suppose greedy means contributing several thousand dollars to various organizations like Relay For Life for the American Cancer Society, FFA participants, Incarnate Word Academy, KEDT''s annual fundraiser ""Wine & Food Classic,"" donating our services to the Junior League for the Skate Park, donating our services to St. Andrew''s Church on Padre Island, donating our Five Corpus Christi Hooks Season tickets to charitable causes throughout the season, and these are just some of the things we''ve done that I can name off the top of my head.

I suppose we could be extra-greedy and keep everything we earn for ourselves, but that would be unethical in my eyes. So long as I work here, we will continue giving back to the community because it''s the right thing to do.

But if you want to continue calling me ""greedy,"" then go right ahead. CommonSense
Posts: 561 Re: We don''t need new bridge, but sincere leadership
6/2/2006 1:23:17 PM As usual you missed the point of my post. What will it take to get you to see beyond what you want? If you are for the bridge fine. Let me make it simple. I could care less! They could tear it down and build another ferry for all I care. If a new bridge is needed, then build it. If a new one isn''t needed then don''t build it. How hard of a concept is that for you?

You call me the main mouthpiece? Dude, get real. You came up with this idiotic idea of protesting by putting cars on the bridge. My response is I''ll pass due to the price of gas. That is called being nice. Do you want the real version? Your idea is childish and unrealistic.

Understand this about the real world. If politics are involved, then 98% of the time they will do what they want regardless of what is best.

Get a grip and go do something worthwhile with your weekend. Cato
Posts: 158 Infrastructure is needed somewhere else, my point
6/2/2006 9:21:14 PM The politicians, COMMONSENSE, argues will win 98 percent of the time. This is what is wrong with this community. It is a fatalistic attitude.

COMMONSENSE has not faith and hope and love in his own people and residents. The power is with us. We control the votes, we decide where our taxdollars go because, we are the RATEPAYERS. We have the democractic right to scrutinize every dollar and cent.

Infrastructure (the transportational one) is needed thoughout town, there are obvious neglected areas that we do no talk about. We need to reach out fairly to all the community. Personal Fiefdoms? The avarice of the Curtis Rocks who justify their kow tow to the Nealgolian and the Department of Transporation system and the MPO by pointing out that they gave a few beans they give away as token lipservice to community causes, need a reality check.

The power is with the people. The lights of the Harbor Bridge have been off and should be turned on. The same with the masses they should not loose hope. We have something they do not - Numbers. We can flaunt the numbers and parade them around the bridge or at both corners of it. A message needs to be sent.

98 percent? Heha. What a defeatist attitude. You must be a latent boy who likes to get wiped at an S&M ritual. IT''s your thing and do what you want to do; but let get one thing straight: we all don''t like to be on the receiving end. curtis rock
Posts: 751 Re: Infrastructure is needed somewhere else, my point
6/3/2006 1:36:46 AM The State of Texas has deemed it necessary to replace the existing Harbor Bridge. The State has very little to do with the rest of our city''s infrastructure. Are you also going to complain when the State decides to initiate the South Loop which will alleviate congestion on North-to-South roads like Airline, Everhart, and Weber? Are you going to protest that one also?

If you have a complaint with State infrastructure, then bringing up local politicians is barking up the wrong tree. CommonSense
Posts: 561 Listen Up...
6/3/2006 2:42:04 PM I don''t live in Corpus. I don''t even live in Nueces county. I drive over the harbor bridge maybe 15 times a year. I don''t care what they do with the bridge. I''m sorry they turned off the lights, but you should be used to living in the dark.

What a defeatist attitude. You must be a latent boy who likes to get wiped at an S&M ritual.

What were you thinking when you typed this? I think you should come to one of the threadster meetings we have in Corpus. I think we should attempt to have one this coming Thursday at Barnes and Noble around 4:30 pm. Then you will find out what kind of person I am. I''m definitely not a child who will run because you make a feeble attempt at throwing insults at me. Cato, I spent 20 years in the Navy. I consider you a pup who is barking up the wrong tree. curtis rock
Posts: 751 Re: Listen Up...
6/3/2006 5:59:40 PM See, now CommonSense knows how it feels when someone takes a cheap shot from behind a computer monitor. It really erks me when it happens to me.

I hate when people do it, and I''d love if they''d do it to me in-person. It doesn''t take 20 years of me being in the Navy to physically harm someone.

Cato, why don''t you tell us these things in-person instead of hiding behind your Computer''s monitor? Uriel
Posts: 475 Re: Let''s protest! A Car Caravan to get the lights back on
6/4/2006 10:18:17 AM Is there any way we will get to see pictures of the new bridge construction proposals?

Make it pretty guys!
And safer please. My oldest son will be driving in a year or two. Make a bridge that won''t give me nightmares when he gets his license.
But then...make something so beautiful that my heart will leap in the air higher than the bridge itself.
:D
Uriel skwardupntru
Posts: 1114 Re: Re: Why did Homer bring up the new Harbor Bridge proposal?
6/3/2006 5:12:57 PM I have had the clandestine pleasure of seeing a few mock ups. She will be a spectacular beauty. The naysayers of today will be the charter supporters of tomorrow.
****wink wink**** skwardupntru
Posts: 1114 The same ole BS
6/3/2006 4:54:24 PM Does this never end in Corpus Christi?
I have an old 8mm film of the construction of the Harbor Bridge. It was stated clearly then, that the mortality of the bridge would be experienced no later than 2012!!! That is six years from now for those of you who attended public schools.
This is NOT a point of debate!!!
The bridge is too steep, too narrow, TOOOO OLD!!!


I learned to drive on that bridge, I think it was once a beautiful bridge. I was also at the scene of an accident on the NB side of that bridge, in 1978, that mangled to guys who''s breaks went out.
This is not a Ferris Wheel or a resort, this is a bridge that 80,000 pound trucks navigate. It is a terminal ""Bottle Neck"". Never mind the Ships for now, the damn thing is an outdated road hazard.
For once CC get with the real world. As far as all of you arm chair engineers, concentrate on retrofitting your poorly engineered houses and leave the infrastructures to the experts. If a few of those experts happen to come from CC try supporting them as opposed to ridiculing their right to make money doing what they do best.
If it were up to me I would spend the money and put the main beam and decks at 250'' (the bottom clearance). That by the way is 40'' higher than the top of the super structure of the current bridge. curtis rock
Posts: 751 Re: The same ole BS
6/3/2006 6:04:13 PM Thank God, someone else on the message board with some reason!

Too bad you''re going to be repeating and explaining yourself for a long time Skward. People don''t understand ""Not tall enough,"" ""Out-dated,"" or ""Maintenance Nightmare."" curmudgeon
Posts: 2912 A couple of points . . .
6/3/2006 8:20:36 PM . . . there is nothing other than the port boys wanting a higher bridge that would justify replacing it. It ain''t too steep or too narrow. The fact that it has served almost 50 years should illustrate that point. If it ain''t being properly maintained we might need to replace those responsible for the maintenance.

To give you a hint of the enormity of such a project, at $500,000 million it would cost every man, woman and child in Corpus Christi around two thousand buck. It will likely cost double that. Traditionally we have let the people decide before indebting them for large capital outlays. I say tell them up front how much it will cost (including the part about tolls) and let them decide. Cato
Posts: 158 The Curtis Rocks of this world, want
6/4/2006 3:39:24 AM to railroad us, by making us sign on the dotted line of their contracts before we know the other ""mysterious"" facts and hikes and ""required"" extras.

They''ve cross the line. The Curtus Rocks are ""supporters of economic development -- that is, so called"" due to expediency. Their appetites for such awards are never sated. curtis rock
Posts: 751 Re: The Curtis Rocks of this world, want
6/4/2006 3:42:21 AM Economic Development is our ""award,"" you idiot. curtis rock
Posts: 751 Re: A couple of points . . .
6/4/2006 3:41:30 AM We already pay taxes to the State of Texas that goes towards Highways and Bridges, and that money goes other places like San Antonio or Houston for Bridges and Interchanges.

A local TxDOT project doesn''t necessarily mean everyone Man, Woman, and Child in Corpus Christi is going to pay for it - every Man, Woman, and Child in Texas will - just like we have been. Only now, we finally get to see a return on our investment in Corpus Christi instead of moving our money to just the big TxDOT districts.
Cato
Posts: 158 Curtis Boy this is your big chance to
6/4/2006 3:49:15 AM hit it big. One contract, just one contract can make it happen. The agenda is all you. The whole points that your share center around you, the axis, the one propelling the engine of avarice.

We have a historical bridge. I demand that the light be turned on. The hech with the I LOVE CC bull. Cal
Posts: 623 Re: Curtis Boy this is your big chance to
6/4/2006 10:32:48 AM We have a historical bridge. I demand that the light be turned on. The hech with the I LOVE CC bull.

Yes,Cato,I love the above statement:especially the last sentence.

And please donnot forget the it''s for ""The All America City"". Have not heard that one from the County Judge Republican Wannabe. I think a new bridge has a better chance than him being the next county judge. :D :D :D skwardupntru
Posts: 1114 I is ""I Love MY Corpus Christi"" You Moron
6/4/2006 10:46:00 AM If you want a shot at making the big bucks like Curtis, try working at Mcdonalds and going to college for 6 years. You are such a Knucklehead. curtis rock
Posts: 751 Re: Curtis Boy this is your big chance to
6/4/2006 11:00:59 AM A geotechnical engineering firm will never hit it big with one project. When geotechnical engineers can make more than one-half of one percent of a contract, then maybe. At this point, I consider every project we pick up to be a step forward as a company, whether it''s a 3,000 square foot office building or a 1000 acre Port Container Terminal. They add up. Business isn''t a lottery you ignorant asshole, the company has mouths to feed before the owners see a penny.

Remember that profits come after your legal obligation to pay your employees. Secondly, there are vendors you better pay, or else you get supply interruptions, liens, or visits to the small claims cout - none of which we''ve faced yet and we intend to keep it that way. skwardupntru
Posts: 1114 Re: Re: Curtis Boy this is your big chance to
6/4/2006 11:07:25 AM Now that is what I am talking about!!!
Bully for you Curtis.
:D:D:D:D:D
Five outa Five curmudgeon
Posts: 2912 Hell . . .
6/4/2006 11:41:41 AM . . . 1/2 of 1% will only be $2,500,000-$5,000,000. curtis rock
Posts: 751 Re: Hell . . .
6/4/2006 1:56:55 PM That''s just the rough estimate we tell contractors. We really don''t even come close to the one-half of one percent mark. skwardupntru
Posts: 1114 Re: A couple of points . . .
6/4/2006 10:39:36 AM That is the stupidist utterrance I have ever heard from you. I am dissapointed in you selfishness and ignorance. skwardupntru
Posts: 1114 Re: Why did Homer bring up the new Harbor Bridge proposal?
6/4/2006 10:40:47 AM Homer Who?


HeHeHeHe CommonSense
Posts: 561 He meant...
6/4/2006 1:03:08 PM Goat Boy.

One thing you have to realize Cato, is that when the lights are out, you are paying less in taxes. Who do you think pays the bill for having the lights turned on?

Cato
Posts: 158 I love my CC crap
6/5/2006 1:23:42 AM How can anyone love crap; but because it is endorsed under the mantra of ""Economic Development"".....

Every dollar that goes to Curtis Rock company is a dollar from the table of my family. IT is not fair and time we subjected this bridge project to public scrutiny as well as other projects such as the downtown carnival being proposed. CommonSense
Posts: 561 Cato, could you please explain...
6/5/2006 7:51:59 AM how Rock Engineering is driving the replacement of the harbor bridge?

I only ask this because you seem to indicate that Rock Engineering is the main player in this project. If they aren''t, then tell me who is. curtis rock
Posts: 751 Re: Cato, could you please explain...
6/5/2006 8:45:33 AM I''d also like an explanation on how every dollar my company makes is another dollar Cato is losing.

Last time I checked, everytime another business succeeds then total wealth increases.

I suppose it depends on what sort of business Cato is in, if he''s in the business of helping unemployed people or welfare recipients - then I can see how we''re taking business away from him. We employ people, provide them with Medical/Dental, tuition reimbursements, bonuses, and paid training. I suppose if your line of work involves anything opposite of that, then yes, we''re taking dollars out of your hands. Cato
Posts: 158 Curtis Rock''s statement, ""Yes, we are taking dollars off your hands...
6/5/2006 11:07:00 AM so arrogant. So wrong. What ever my line of employment is irrelevant.

You are a leech in a sense. I believe that is why you became involved with the Republican Chair election. I know you new chair will bring you in to the circle of influentials. I am sure you will have all the Licenses in place before to have a headstart when RFP go out.

This project has an agenda which I will explain later. Giving you dollars or to your company is progress, you claim. IT is not progress, it is retrograding to a time and a place where plutocrats (wealthy) ruled. A dollar off my family''s place, should not go to you. Needed infrastructure is needed in other parts of the city very desperately. You are acting like a feudal Lord, but you puny brain has only put you in quagmire. In this blog you will have to answer for you edacious greed and your morals of a maggot. CommonSense
Posts: 561 Hey Curtis...
6/5/2006 1:00:27 PM It''s obvious that he doesn''t have any clue as to how the world of contractural business works.

He doesn''t want to mention his line of business. Probably because he is embarrassed to say, ""You want fries with that?"" to everyone here. curtis rock
Posts: 751 Cato...
6/5/2006 1:48:26 PM If infrastructure is needed in other parts of the city, and I agree it does, then we should be lobbying to city officials.

The Harbor Bridge is a State Issue.

I''m not a leech because I produce for myself. I was involved in the Republican Chair race because I met with Bertuzzi long before the election and he asked for my help. I actually considered running for the same post, but he could do much better than me. When the Notice of Intent (NOI) goes out, I will not have a better headstart than any other firm in Texas. It''s posted on the TxDOT website, and that''s how I find out. There''s also other firms like mine around Texas with their finger already on the pulse, and are well-aware of the upcoming project.

Projects allows Rock Engineering to continue employing people, and allows our firm to grow. That''s how it became the 30-man operation it is today when it started with only three people. A project like this will require us to hire drillers, more staff, we''ll use supplies that we buy from vendors, and etc. etc. Without a big lesson in economics, this should be suitable.

You can question my ""maggot-morals,"" but my morals are so strong that I don''t want anyone whom I work with to get laid off. You, on the other hand, don''t care about employing people because you''re a true parasite on society. curmudgeon
Posts: 2912 Curtis works . . .
6/5/2006 2:39:38 PM . . . for his daddy! BWAHAHAHA!!! curtis rock
Posts: 751 Yeah, so.
6/5/2006 3:09:20 PM Yeah, and? curmudgeon
Posts: 2912 Never mind . . .
6/5/2006 4:26:39 PM . . . I''m sure there was no affirmative action involved in your hiring. Uriel
Posts: 475 Another thought on the Harbor Bridge...
6/5/2006 5:30:27 PM I just remembered something.
While I was crossing the bridge for the first time with my mother, she said, ""Your doing fine, just keep going.""
I believe she wanted me to cross the bridge even though I was sweating bullets. She wanted me to know that I could cross over anything without fear. I can, I will, and I did.

The lesson was so simple, yet now, years later it is so profound. What I have been through, what I have crossed since then. God, I love that woman. My father was wise to marry her. :)

The bridge is old now, and traffic is increasing. Salts in the air alone have had their way with the structure. Yet it is the bridge in our city that has made almost every heart flutter which ventured to cross it. If it must be rebuilt, build it with respect to what it meant long ago...you can cross anything that stands in your way, just look upwards for the vision, and inwards to your heart for pure courage. You can do it.

Amen!
Uriel :D curtis rock
Posts: 751 Re: Never mind . . .
6/5/2006 7:31:05 PM No, just keeping the business in the family. My dad''s white, FYI. Cato
Posts: 158 A leech by any other name is
6/6/2006 12:52:47 AM Dependency of the government''s titty. It is not true free enterprise.

Free Enterprise means letting the forces of supply and demand determine the market.

Contracts are part of a planned economy, no diffent than China. So what if I sell burgers and fries, which I don''t, so what if I did. Do you have something against a working man?

At least I''m not a leech on the govt titty. Curtis wants one contract. Make it rich, greed is the motivation. curtis rock
Posts: 751 Re: A leech by any other name is
6/6/2006 6:47:20 AM Considering that most of our project participation is private, negotiated work like office buildings, banks, and mega-developments on the Island, you''re off target again. Government work is also work that must be done, you were just telling me ""the city needs infrastructure in other places.""

How do you suppose we get that infrastructure without people building it?

Do you consider postal workers, military (active duty and retired) to be on the government titty too? Cato
Posts: 158 Everyone should work in free enterprise
6/6/2006 4:34:03 PM Depending on govt titty for too long is wrong. No one should make a lifetime career of it. They should go out and keep the wheel of what has made this country great, free enterprise curtis rock
Posts: 751 Re: Everyone should work in free enterprise
6/6/2006 4:36:24 PM What''s your point, nobody is disagreeing with you. I am a champion of free enterprise, and have lobbied at the State Level for Free Enterprise and Merit Shop policy. What have you done besides whine on message boards? CommonSense
Posts: 561 Cato...
6/6/2006 4:39:46 PM I''m going to say this as someone who is attempting to give you some advice and I''m not trying to insult you.

The more you continue to post on this topic, the more everyone here can see that you have no idea what goes on in the world of contractural business.

You are at the point where you aren''t even paying attention to what is being said here. If you understood what is being said you wouldn''t continue to push the ""government titty"" comment. Cato
Posts: 158 If I don''t know about complex business agreements
6/6/2006 5:04:41 PM what am I doing in Texas.

I personally ahve dealt with multimillion dollar contracts. My family as I said prior is into the agricultural business. I am a trained nuisance.

But the above has nothing to do with the issue. Going after Government contracts is not true free enterprise, it is what has corrupted the our free enterprise system.

Curtis Boy is just a trouble shooter for his dad''s company. Govt dependency can never, I repeat, never be justified in this business. BlindBob
Posts: 636 Re: If I don''t know about complex business agreements
6/6/2006 5:14:40 PM I''m really not sure what your beef is with Curtis, Cato.

He has made it quite clear that his company''s revenue is mostly from Private Contracts. This is far from being a leech or on the government ''titty''.

And I see no problem whatsoever with Curtis working for his dad''s company. It is a Family business. It is quite natural and quite normal for family members to work in the family business. That''s why it is referred to as a Family Business.

The Bridge ... is going to be built. Whether it be next week, next year or in the next decade. That decision is a done deal and yapping or belly-aching about it will change nothing. Before the current bridge, there was a bridge and there was one before that one. There will be one that follows the next one.

It is far far better that local businesses be involved with the New Bridge in as many areas as possible, keeping the money here in the Coastal Bend instead of having it go to firms in Dallas or Oklahoma or ... gasp ... New York City.

Personally, I wish Curtis and his company the best of all things with the bridge project.
curmudgeon
Posts: 2912 What y''all seem to fail to realize . . .
6/6/2006 7:35:41 PM . . . is that it will just about double the cost to build a bridge higher than the present height to accomodate large container ships, which is what they are shooting for. Let the people who are making piles of money off the port pay the difference. BlindBob
Posts: 636 Re: What y''all seem to fail to realize . . .
6/6/2006 10:55:39 PM Why do you assume that ""ya''ll"" fail to realize this? There is not a shadow of a doubt that the New Bridge will be expensive as the dickens and that it will most assuredly run over ''budget''. [The term ''budget'' defined as a politico-word employed to get the proles to quiet down and exist in a state of delusional satisfaction that the government is taking care of things properly, exercising good fiscal restraint.]

That said, the bridge WILL be built.

And I want as much of the money as possible to stay here in Corpus. Preferably with me.

OK. OK. Curtis ... you can have some too.

Who else wants some?


Pax
BB
curtis rock
Posts: 751 Who should do the work then?
6/6/2006 5:38:24 PM Ok, so who should do the government work? Government employees? That''s a step back from free enterprise than awarding it to private companies. I see nothing wrong with governments awarding work to companies, because the work has to be done. It''s not like it''s a handout either, companies have to compete for government work and that''s the basis of free enterprise.

As far as trouble-shooting, that''s not really anywhere on my job description. I''m the Business Development Manager, which means I''m charge of forecasting, marketing, client relations, and public/government relations.

Our company is by no means dependent on the government for work, which I''ve already stated. Every new Whataburger, IBC Bank, Navy Army Federal Credit Union is private work done by our firm. Many of the current and upcoming projects at Citgo, Valero, and Flint Hills are Rock Engineering projects - private work. Probably 99.9% of the new subdivisions on the South Side and surrounding areas of Corpus Christi are Rock Engineering projects - private work. We also participate on many of the docking and container facilities with the Port of Corpus Christi - private work.

You can''t win, our firm isn''t dependent on the government - but we certainly attempt to participate in government contracts as they become available. If you were in business to make money, then you probably would too. Cato
Posts: 158 The Curtis Rocks of these world will work for the ones with the biggest
6/7/2006 12:12:13 AM tit.

Dressing aside. It is the mentality that never questions the fical responsiblity that the state and region has to the proper location of infrastrucuture.

Greed, can never be justified. As curdumdeon said, let cito and valero pay for their ""infrastrucutre."" Cato
Posts: 158 Re: The Curtis Rocks will suk if
6/7/2006 12:06:07 AM If sucking a man''s toe was legal, he would do it.

Major Carrales
Posts: 421 Its my understanding that...
6/7/2006 11:31:31 AM ...this is a State project.

Also, that Curtis Rock''s company stands to make only a small contribution to the whole of the project, main geotechnical things like soil testing and the like.

The Contractor that will actually build the structure will be reaping the loads of cash.

I think Curtis is taking it on the chin here for little reason. Cato
Posts: 171 Point is Curtis was not sincere on his position on the bridge; his was gree
6/7/2006 12:12:20 PM Point is Curtis Rock was not sincere in his postion on the bridge. CommonSense
Posts: 568 I think it is time to bring this thread...
6/7/2006 9:28:41 PM to a close. Obviously there is a lot of ""disagree to disagree"" here and in my opinion, nothing further can be said to change anyone''s mind. There is a lot of good information here but I do believe it''s time has come.

=taps= Cato
Posts: 171 U want to bring it to a close, because u can''t win?
6/8/2006 12:16:23 AM Curtin Rock''s myopic, greed can never be justified. That is why he will never win his argument. Cato
Posts: 171 curtis goes crazy when he hears eco progress
6/8/2006 12:17:55 AM its rape of taxpayers. Cato
Posts: 171 curtis: in one phrase
6/8/2006 12:30:46 AM motivated exclusively by monetary or material gain. IT is not about honorable principles. As long as there are guys like him; there will be hillbillies like me to unveil their intentions. CommonSense
Posts: 568 To be honest Cato...
6/8/2006 7:50:42 AM I am really starting to believe that this may be more about you trying to reach 100 posts in your thread than the topic at hand. Just my opinion.

If you want to have a civil discussion about this matter, come to Barnes and Nobles at 4pm next Tuesday for a Corpus Threadster meeting. I guarantee you will enjoy it. CommonSense
Posts: 568 To be honest Cato...
6/8/2006 7:53:03 AM I am really starting to believe that this may be more about you trying to reach 100 posts in your thread than the topic at hand. Just my opinion.

If you want to have a civil discussion about this matter, come to Barnes and Nobles at 4pm next Tuesday for a Corpus Threadster meeting. I guarantee you will enjoy it. Cato
Posts: 171 I got to say this
6/8/2006 9:50:10 AM Corpus Christi has one ugly, awfully designed City Hall. The colors are terrible, the design, immaturish, the location, displaced. And now you want to built a new bridge?

It''s like a lady that needs a car, but is investing in something that is not indispensable, just because the Curtis Rock''s of this world are courting her. Promosing this, that and the other. I really feel that Rock Engineering should not apply for this contract. They will loose credibility in that Curtis has already defined in detail his insatiable, edacioius agenda. Cato
Posts: 171 Curmudgeon seems to have a point
6/9/2006 1:47:42 AM His point is short and brief. Why not let refinery row and the Port, Bonilla and Cazalas pay via their enormous budgets for the new bridge. The only one is historical; it has to be perserved. I will ask around if papers can be filed. Cato
Posts: 171 Harbor Bridge and Beach Issue are related
6/9/2006 1:59:10 AM I LOVE CC pitches are the same. Cato
Posts: 171 Re: Harbor Bridge and Beach Issue are related
6/9/2006 3:23:40 AM Still Pissed off at all the voyeurs. Look what happen to your beach. Now the harbor bridge, where is the pride? Did the shower of cold reality spur you to a new pro active state?